Hey so friendly reminder about voting and elections that I haven’t seen going around yet but is SUPER IMPORTANT.
Watch what you wear and say while you’re waiting in line for the voting booth/at the polls. It is against federal law to do anything that might be considered campaigning once you’re there, and since we know that voter suppression is the name of the game this election, there will be people looking for ANY reason to remove you from the polling place. And they will nitpick. You have a shirt with a artistic picture of donkey on it? You’re visibly supporting the Democrats, you’re disqualified from voting. Want to wear a Black Lives Matter shirt? Not there you don’t. They’ll call it intimidation and kick you out. Pins, buttons, stickers, none of it. Wear the most bland, plain clothes you can imagine.
And then keep your mouth shut. Even the slightest hint of discussion about which candidate you’re voting for can get used against you. Don’t assume the people around you are safe to discuss it with. You might be overheard. There WILL people watching for these things, hoping to get rid of anyone they can. Voter suppression isn’t just about making registration impossible. It happens at the polling stations too. Be smart, be bland, be quiet, and make sure your vote gets in.
Also- and I have seen this mentioned but it bears repeating- DO NOT TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR BALLOT. EVER. It’ll also disqualify your vote. Take a selfie when you’re out of their with your fun little sticker.
Children/teens aren’t allowed to be sad or in a bad mood because they can get yelled at for it and ridiculed and told to ‘change your attitude or I will for you’, while adults who are sad or in a bad mood, are allowed to yell at and take their frustration out on the kids. Adult privilege huh?
And when the adult is in a bad mood, it’s the kids job to step on eggshells in order to keep them from not exploding, and when they do, it’s on them.
And when the child is in the bad mood, it’s their job to try to hide it, and when they break apart trying to, it’s on them.
What extra sucks about this is that adults literally have more experience, context, perspective, and brain development to help them manage emotions. Adults who do this are shit. We are the adults, we should not be expecting kids who are still developing and learning about the world and trying to figure out their place in it to be the ones who are emotionally mature.
People who treat adulthood like a power trip are honestly shit and should not have authority over kids.
not to sound too millennial here but it annoys me so much when I’m at a restaurant and someone I’m with will complain about the service being slow like buddy pal it’s fine it’s not that important
You didn’t waited 40 minutes for a dinner before haven’t you?
i have but i also have, like, real problems
I waited well over an hour for food once at IHOP, because it kept coming out inedible.
We finally asked what was going on, and it turns out that the ONLY cook had been working for 36 hours straight with only a short nap.
I ordered the easiest thing to make, tipped the waitress heavily, and sent her back to the cook with a $10 tip for them, too, AFTER watching the 24-hour restaurant close the doors so that they could send the cook home for some rest.
Yeah, I’ve waited 40 minutes for my dinner, and I didn’t ask for a discount, we tipped VERY well, and sent the cook our best wishes.
If something goes wrong with your restaurant experience, consider that there are real people back there, working under god knows what conditions.
For the record, Adrien’s anger towards people being happy that Chloe is leaving the country simply because she was his friend when he had no friends (except she was a bad friend but he only kept her because it was her or no one) is super judgmental and wrong. Marinette apologizing to Adrien for feeling happy and relieved that someone who bullied her for years on end is finally getting out of her life is wrong. Marinette partly blaming herself for Andre being akumatized when it was clearly because his daughter and wife kept hounding him to death is, you guessed it, wrong.
If this episode ends supporting these stances, it means complete invalidation of the people Chloe routinely hurt over the years. Just letting that out there.
This is BS. All of these kids are KIDS. Guess what, bullies are people too, and most kids who bully have a reason for doing it. It’s up to teachers and adults to modify their behavior. Chloe has no one in her life who loves and understands her enough to tell her when she’s wrong. Her mother doesn’t even remember her name and her dad just gives her whatever she wants to make up for it.
The truth is, respect, kindness, and empathy are LEARNED traits. Some people (like Marinette) are lucky enough to be taught those traits, and some people aren’t. This show is about learning to empathize with people who were mean to you, reducing the amount of pain in the world by being kind to people who are lashing out. Marinette’s powers are literally about undoing damage and hurt and rescuing people who are lashing out because they’re in pain.
Has Chloe acted badly? Yes. She’s mean and causes more Akumas than anyone else. But she also doesn’t have anyone to guide her the way all the other students do. She’s shown that when given the opportunity to do the right thing, she can make the best choice, but her desire for validation and understanding often causes her to act cruelly.
It’s amazing that somehow you seemed to miss the entire point of my post and validate what I was talking about in the first place, aka, putting Chloe’s feeling above aaaaaaall the people she hurt routinely over the years. If people want to be happy the person who’s hurt them was leaving they’re well within their right to feel those feelings. Chloe isn’t their friend and she never tried to be their friend. They don’t owe her anything.
As for bullies being people too, that’s still no excuse for her behavior, most of it which had nothing to do with attention and validation, it was just to assert her dominance and be mean because that’s how she’s written until her convenient mom issues need to be brought up so we can pity her. Even if these deep seeded issues were present for episode one it isn’t an excuse. She shouldn’t get a free pass for that kind of behavior just because she’s sad and might not know better. Especially since Chloe SHOULD know better.
Ms. Bustier. Adrien. Ladybug. Her butler, who we know has been around from the beginning trying to teach her how to be better. Actually, she’s surrounded by good people on a daily basis who she could have taken clues from. Marinette has offered her understanding on multiple occasions this season but Chloe could not give her the time of day. This newest episode Chloe mocks her heroes day idea. Bullshit she doesn’t know better. Also it shouldn’t take this much effort from others for someone to understand what bad behavior is and how to correct that.
I get what the themes are, thanks. I just think they’re very poorly done and not applicable in this situation because, like I said, it’s forced forgiveness given to Chloe and invalidates the feelings of all the people she hurt. Unless she happened to already like them (barring Sabrina who had no role in her best friends redemption at all) the people she hurt didn’t matter in her story. It was all about poor Chloe. If you don’t see the problem in that and can only be on the bully’s side in this whole thinking that the feelings of her victims don’t matter just because Chloe was sad sometimes then we’re not gonna get any farther here.
Chloe is a grade-A asshole. There is literally no excusing it.
All you claim simply EXPLAINS her behavior but she in no way is excused.
She has tormented people for literal years.
Actually, let’s back up here–you’re straight up defending abuse. Bullying is a form of abuse that can and does have long-lasting and even permanent psychologically damaging effects on the victims.
Chloe is not the victim of her behavior–everybody else is.
Bullies are people, sure, they’re just shitty people and their victims are under zero obligation to forgive them no matter how garbage their life may be.
I literally lived 3 years in a dynamic similar to what marinette has with chloe and sabrina–aka the victim to a bully pair of girls who were shitty people and who were hell-bent on making sure they came out on top of everybody else.
15 years later if I saw either of them today, I would nope the fuck out no matter what. I literally quit a college class day one because one of them was in it and sat next to me, and there was no way in hell I was spending a semester next to a person who dedicated themselves to making my life a living hell.
But we were all kids, and they probably had reasons for their behavior so I should give them a break, right?
Marinette is a kid, too. Where is HER break from literal years of verbal and emotional abuse? Why does CHLOE deserve slack?
Chloe and people like her are assholes who are capable of knowing better–they make the choice not to.
Miss me with that defending bullies bullshit because all it does is invalidate psychological trauma from actual victims of bullying.
Yes you should give them a break. CHILDREN are not responsible for their behavior. The adults frequently fail to keep Chloe in check. If you were treated the way chloe is you would be Chloe. That’s how humans work, you are a series of random traits fashioned by biology and your environment. You can’t help who you are any more than your bully can help who they are.
The fact that neither of you grasp one of the major themes of the show is incredible to me. Whether you like it or not Chloe is going to be redeemed. Guess what, Gabriel likely is too. If you honestly think that is wrong then you disagree with the fundamental premise of the show. Literally every episode is about someone who acted badly in a time of emotional turmoil being redeemed.
Alright, enough of this idea that she has no accountability for her actions just because of how she grew up and that she’s young. Chloe’s 14, not 6. When exactly is the age limit for you where someone finally understands that maybe they shouldn’t try and frame another person for pulling a fire alarm (Marinette), or humiliate them while recording it on their phone only then to send it out to everyone she knew (Kim), or destroying a chef’s dish out of revenge because you don’t like their niece (Marinette’s uncle)? Unless you’re telling me Chloe has the mental capacity of a 6 year old and doesn’t understand the basics of right and wrong, and if that’s the case what she needs is therapy, not a generic redemption arc.
I don’t know how else to spell it out that having a shitty mom doesn’t give someone a license to lie, steal, be mean, and cause trouble in any way someone can because at the end of the day, nurturing aside, she knows right from wrong. Chloe wouldn’t be able to feel guilt for some of the things she’s done in this arc if she didn’t know right from wrong, and if she can grasp that, then her actions are still her fault only. Besides, way to ignore how I pointed out that Chloe does have other examples she could have taken cues from, but I’ll repeat it for you. Adrien, Ms. Bustier, Ladybug, her butler, the rest of her class who has been giving her chance after chance this season. Here I’ll even bold this part for you so I know you paid extra attention. Chloe has had good influences in her life and you’re suggesting that she never did, that’s why she doesn’t know better. Well, you’re wrong. She has, we see this clearly on screen, yet she still chooses to be a jerk.
At the end of the day you are not understanding my problem with how Chloe is being written. I cannot tell you how much I don’t care what the themes are. I’m not an idiot, I know forgiveness is a big thing in the show but it’s handled poorly as I already said. Forgiveness should come if both sides put in work, and they don’t. Instead, the people she bullies are expected to be considerate of Chloe and her problems, while the adults don’t give a shit about what Chloe does to others. You point this out as a problem the adults have and that’s why Chloe can’t change, but the writing isn’t treating this as an issue to begin with. It treats Chloe as someone that does know right from wrong, but because she has a bad mom all the kids she tormented over the years need to get over it and be patient with her, therefor the adults are right to give her no consequences for her actions. It’s all up to the kids she bullied, and if they lose patience with her like Marinette and Alix do, then they suffer consequences or get a good talking to. Why do yall get made and defensive when all I want is for Chloe to be treated the same way?
You are so focused on judgment you’ve completely missed the point of the show and basically life. Forgiveness is not something you give someone because they deserve it, it’s something you give to let go of negativity and move forward. You can’t move forward with someone who doesn’t change, that’s true but Chloe has changed. When someone actually looks for goodness in her she come through (in Zombiezou, when Ladybug asked her to give up her miraculous, etc). The fact that you’ve failed to notice key moments of development isn’t the fault of the writers. Do you think it’s easy to change someone’s behavior? It takes a lot of time and work.
And by the way, behavior problems often look a lot like Chloe’s behavior. If she acted like that in a competent school (not one where the principal is beholden to her every whim) she would probably be given an IEP (or the French version of that). I’ve seen 14 and 15 year olds be very manipulative and cruel. If someone is acting like that it’s a sign of an emotional/behavioral disability. Your brain is literally formed in the way you were raised and different people present their symptoms differently.
Chloe’s behavior is bad, but bad behavior is a cry for help in a teenager. You’re so focused on accountability, you completely lack compassion. That’s something you and Chloe have in common.
This whole post is incredibly disturbing to me as a teacher. Sure these are just characters, but Chloe represents a lot of real teenagers. It’s great that Marinette is so sweet, creative, and kind, but not everyone is. Being able to see both sides of an issue and having compassion for others despite their behavior is something every adult should be capable of.
I completely lack compassion? My whole problem stems from the show not showing enough of it for the other characters, because sorry girl, it’s not all about Chloe. Regardless of her upbringing she still hurt other people immensely. At this point, I do not care about her upbringing, so stop mentioning it like it has anything to do with my argument. I do not know how much clearer I can possibly make myself, but somehow me wanting there to be consequences for Chloe’s actions equates to me wanting her drawn and quartered to you people. If someone would just stop letting her get away with her shit that would have been enough for me, maybe then she wouldn’t still be making nasty comments to Marinette still like she does in the newest episode.
Like.. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this. You even agree with me at the end there and you don’t even realize it. ‘Being able to see both sides of an issue and having compassion for others despite their behaviors is something every adult should be capable of’. Yeah, agreed, and the adults and writers of the show in general do not show this compassion for the other characters, only Chloe.
Listen, before accusing me of lacking compassion again and making this weirdly fucking personal for no reason. Forgiveness is great. I’m not a moron. You know what’s not great though? Reprimanding the other kids for so much as making the tiniest comment about Chloe but letting Chloe get off scott free for everything. You are so focused on Chloe’s pain, her issues, her feelings, but you don’t seem to give any kind of a shit about the pain she’s caused to everyone around her. I guess in that regard you’re like the adults in this show? Regardless if you think her background explains her behavior, it does not excuse it. There is no ifs, ands, or buts. She was a bully who had lasting effects on the people around her, and she’s barely made an effort to change for the people she hurt most. Marinette was a scared girl who couldn’t stand up for herself at the start of origins because of her. Nathaniel still has major insecurities and has major trust issues now because of her, this girl who not that long ago said Ladybug basically thinks he’s worthless. Sabrina has been treated like a slave their entire friendship and that’s basically made into a joke now. And then the rest of the class, which I’m not going to get specific about because golly, I’d be here all day.
I’m down with characters forgiving the wrongs of other characters if done right. I’m not down with the victims of Chloe’s bullying having no say in the situation, no chance to voice their feelings on the matter, because then it feels forced and unearned. The narrative is completely on Chloe’s side here, not the children she hurt. What is SO hard to understand about how fucked that is? Instead of these kids coming to a natural progression of forgiveness for their bully the lesson is ‘forgive her or you’re just as bad’. That’s fucked. I don’t know why you don’t seem to think so, but it’s completely absurd to put that burden on other kids.
Chloe is still developing, let’s take a look at her parents’ first, her father is very busy and has very little time for her and loves her so much but failed to show it in a young age when kids think of a parent’s its mostly about kisses,hugs and stuff like that. I doubt Chloe got any of that, so andre’s way of showing love to her is by spoiling her. And since Chloe’s dad is the mayor, it’s highly probable that made her think that she has more power than anything, anyone else. Since she was spoiled and got the attitude of her mother, it’s probably why she became a massive bitch.
Let’s talk about audrey, chloe’s mom, a high respected fashion critic (i think that’s what’s it’s called please don’t judge me) a woman that has an attitude like that she has more power than anything else, sounds familiar? Children takes their parents’ as role models. Andre being absent most of the times probably did an impact on chloe which made her rely on her mother, a massive bitch. Chloe probably knowing her parents’ status, again made her think that she’s more powerful. Audrey is also stubborn and overbearing so boom. About the other people that tried to help her to be better, chloe is stubborn and they understood that due to her social status. Adrien, who probably knows more about Chloe, understands why she’s like that, she grew up with him, he also said chloe CAN be nice sometimes, but her ego just overshadowed that. The show isn’t over yet, many character developments will happen. Forgiveness isn’t something to give instantly, it’s something that should earned, forgiveness is given when someone proved they are worthy of another chance. I know i know chloe was forgiven alot. But there’s more to her character than this major bitch. Heck, she idolized ladybug, a superhero who does good, she wanted to be like her, but she did it in the wrong way (queen wasp) there are some bits of improvement that we’ve seen, so why not be patient.
This is the absolute final time I’m explaining this, and @somerandomanongirl , this isn’t specifically directed at you, but I got a lot of other replies like this and I’m just tired of repeating myself at this point. My issue is not with Chloe. It’s not whether or not she deserves forgiveness. It is not about how she grew up and whether this explains her behavior or not. It is about the people she hurt, and how what they felt didn’t matter in the story. They were told to try and understand Chloe, to forgive Chloe, to give Chloe a chance, and any character that had misgivings were all but scolded and made to feel bad. That is my problem. How can the people she bullied forgive her naturally when they’re not being given any other option? It’s not genuine.
I agree forgiveness ins’t something given instantly, but the characters are being forced to give it instantly. And this is the last time I’m repeating myself about this because by golly, I can’t anymore.
I agree with @simplystefanie-rae in this argument. (I would add my argument but I just woke up and I’m tired af)
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